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Offline Rolken

S3&K special stage inclusion?
« on: February 15, 2007, 04:17:41 PM »
The discussion (a continuation from IRC) is whether blue sphere ring records should be included on the site. Commence controversy~

edit: Points for and against-

Against:
-Low difficulty
-Game encourages maxing
-Lack of competition
-Not an Act

For:
-Of comparable difficulty to rankings on the site
-Offers opportunity for achievement
-Might as well
« Last Edit: February 15, 2007, 04:23:34 PM by Rolken »
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Re: S3&K special stage inclusion?
« Reply #1 on: February 15, 2007, 04:29:20 PM »
For:
-Game encourages maxxing in S2 Acts too with same bonus

* Thorn wonders if he even has the right to post, as he was in that IRC convo...
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Offline eredani

Re: S3&K special stage inclusion?
« Reply #2 on: February 15, 2007, 04:55:17 PM »
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-Game encourages maxxing in S2 Acts too with same bonus
That is irrelevant, as those are completely normal Acts and you aren't supposed to go out of your way to collect every Ring in the level, even if it's possible to do that.

The perfect bonus earned by collecting all of the available Rings in the S3&K Special Stages is trivial to earn, and the SS's were made with the intention of the player getting every single Ring during normal play. You don't even need to be competing at all to go on and get all the Rings, and it's very easy to do normally.

The point isn't simply that they aren't Acts, but that Acts are well-suited for competition by their nature and are always ranked. Those special stages are intentionally simple to max the Rings out on and you're even encouraged to do so naturally, something that doesn't hold true for any of the regular Acts.

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Re: S3&K special stage inclusion?
« Reply #3 on: February 15, 2007, 05:02:24 PM »
Quote from: eredani
...you aren't supposed to go out of your way to collect every Ring in the level, even if it's possible to do that...

And you are supposed to in S3&K?  A bonus is a bonus, no matter the location.  You said it yourself, "out of the way".  Just because it's not as far away in the Special Stages doesn't mean it's not out of the way.  The game has a way of scaring you away from Special Stage perfects, by speeding the stage up and making it easy to lose control.

I won't get anywhere going back and forth with you, as we're giving each other the same reasons repeatedly.  I just wanted both the argument and the counter to be visible to the forum.
« Last Edit: February 15, 2007, 05:15:23 PM by Thorn »
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Offline Crowbar

Re: S3&K special stage inclusion?
« Reply #4 on: February 15, 2007, 05:36:31 PM »
Shouldn't this thread be a poll?

I vote no, for what little it's worth. I guess I just agree with Thorn more. It's not necessarily REALLY easy in all cases, but we would end up with tons of joint 1sts, more than I feel would be desirable.

Offline Rolken

Re: S3&K special stage inclusion?
« Reply #5 on: February 15, 2007, 06:01:11 PM »
This thread isn't meant to be a popularity contest, it's a discussion.
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Re: S3&K special stage inclusion?
« Reply #6 on: February 15, 2007, 06:08:41 PM »
Against:

I think competition in the S2 special stages is stupid, and no one even really bothers to compete. I think it will be the same way with the s3k stages, but worse.

Offline Rane

Re: S3&K special stage inclusion?
« Reply #7 on: February 15, 2007, 07:16:43 PM »
I´m against it too.
Most of the stages are really trivial to get a perfect bonus in, with few exceptions (#4 or #5 of S&K, the one where you run on blue spheres all the time).

Stanski: I plan on competing in the S2 specials soon, but i don´t know if i can be bothered to go for top scores (meaning those that would challenge yours ^^).

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Re: S3&K special stage inclusion?
« Reply #8 on: February 15, 2007, 08:02:26 PM »
Hell, while we're at it, let's rank the amount of blue spheres you can get too! I mean you can compete on that right?

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Re: S3&K special stage inclusion?
« Reply #9 on: February 16, 2007, 01:15:29 AM »
I do believe yse nailed it on the head.

The only special stage I can't be arsed to perfect is S&K #4, because frankly it's a waste of time. And the others are so easy I could perfect most of them when the games came out, and I was only 8-going-on-9 when I got S&K.

EDIT: Also I find it sad to say that I think some nub in the channel or somewhere suggested that blue spheres be tracked. :(
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Re: S3&K special stage inclusion?
« Reply #10 on: February 16, 2007, 06:43:10 AM »
For -

 - Awesome music


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Re: S3&K special stage inclusion?
« Reply #11 on: February 16, 2007, 08:17:35 AM »
For -

 - Awesome music


...wha? <_<

Oh shi I change my vote.

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Re: S3&K special stage inclusion?
« Reply #12 on: February 16, 2007, 08:20:28 AM »
Also where is the Sonic 1 special stage discussion. I mean seriously that has far more worth than this.

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Re: S3&K special stage inclusion?
« Reply #13 on: February 16, 2007, 08:27:08 AM »
I think thats going up unquestioned? >_>
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Re: S3&K special stage inclusion?
« Reply #14 on: February 16, 2007, 04:45:10 PM »
^From what I heard in chat yesterday most of them are going up.  This is the only one that there was serious controversy over.
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